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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

by minimus in

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up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

problemaddict 2

Its a reflex to refuse blood. When however faced with the real consequences, I think JW family will more often reason "if I allow it, then I am the one that is responsible.....not _____ since she was unconscious."

In a situation regarding my family, a doctor told us to remember that they are a teaching hospital, and they WILL respect our wishes. Which means if we won't allow blood, then they won't even bring it in the room. But what the doctor said after that was what stuck with me.

"We have found more often than not in these situations that the family or even the person at risk will change their mind, leaving us scrambling for supplies we did not bring close in order to respect religious objections. So I want you to know......we will keep your medical situation completely private."

THAT....made an impact. I would put it in the column for a lot of JW's take blood.

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U.K. NHS Attitude to Blood Transfusion and its Safety

by BluesBrother in

while visiting someone at the local hospital i saw this leaflet " will i need a blood transfusion ?

- patient information" .

now i was raised in the belief that doctors are transfusion-happy and just give you one willy nilly if they operate , further that a trans.

problemaddict 2

This doctrine is close to my heart for many reasons, not the least of which is that it was the catalyst to me being able to think for myself. I spent a lot of time defending this doctrine. Even went to far as to argue that the "good health to you" closing of the apostolic decree was a sort of prescription from Luke! That Jehovah knew this would be "better" for us, and tipped his hat a bit to us with that phrase.

But after pouring in and out of various components, and understanding the policy I was met with 2 things that i could not shake.

1) If someone according to JW policy was to refuse something, and later that was changed (like organs), who was responsible for the blood of that person? Was the blood guilt communal?

2) Who was deciding what was approved and what was not, but more importantly, what was the CRITERIA they were using to make this decision on behalf of 8 Million JW's? ( nobody could answer the "criteria" part of this question)

I have been able to use these same 2 points to undo most arguments for blood. And yes TD is right......most of the time i just hear "I couldn't care less about the blood doctrine.......its like the resurrection doesn't even matter to you." Most JW's can't be bothered with the import of this, and in the end....Jehovah will resurrect you to pet lions, never die, and wear nursing scrubs over your smooth parts?

I had a weeks long conversation with a CO friend over this. Very thoughtful, and studious man whom I respect. In the end his arguments were that the FDS is chosen, so you have to listen to that direction, and that since growth has continued to occur.....Jehovah is still blessing the work! At that point, we respectfully bowed out of the conversation. I have not heard from him since.

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Were You Ever SHOCKED That Someone Got Appointed As An Elder?

by minimus in

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i remember some men getting appointed and wondering what the hell were they thinking???.

likewise when i came to someone being appointed a presiding overeer or whatever they are called now!

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problemaddict 2

When they asked me to serve i was pretty shocked. But then when they announced me, it was in the same breath as they removed a long time MS who was absolutely beloved by all.

So I was like....ah......The needed one well liked guy to take the place of the other well liked guy.

Still the most bizarre appointment announcement i have ever been present for......my own.

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Kim Jong-un may have Plans for Columbus Day

by cofty in

october 10th is korean workers party founding day which happens to overlap with columbus day on monday next week.. many of nks previous missile tests have taken place on auspicious dates.

russia’s ria news agency is reporting that according to anton morozov, a member of the russian lower house of parliament’s international affairs committee "they are preparing for new tests of a long-range missile.

they even gave us mathematical calculations that they believe prove that their missile can hit the west coast of the united states,” .

problemaddict 2

Trump doesn't care for Cali much. Maybe hes exacerbating the issue on purpose. Ha!

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Deadly Discipline

by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/loving-memory-laura-ann-gracey-father-remembers/.

the death toll from watchtower increases with the latest suicide report of laura ann gracey.

here, her father recounts the events leading up to his daughter's taking of her own life - undoubtedly starting with her indoctrination from birth into this stifling, doomsday cult.. i see many similarities to myself as laura.

problemaddict 2

Joho,

Thank you for sharing. It is always amazing to me how so many people from different walks have stories so similar. I actually remember this happening (I grew up in this area.....know elders in the Orange hall). I didn't know her personally though.

How horrific.

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U.K. NHS Attitude to Blood Transfusion and its Safety

by BluesBrother in

while visiting someone at the local hospital i saw this leaflet " will i need a blood transfusion ?

- patient information" .

now i was raised in the belief that doctors are transfusion-happy and just give you one willy nilly if they operate , further that a trans.

problemaddict 2

Fall guy,

No doubt if you are in need of a transfusion you are not in the best situation to begin with. But blood still remains a VITAL component and tool in modern medicine. A plethora of drugs and treatments are made from it, and there are trauma situations in which nothing else will do. As we hopefully develop less and less need for it (as a finite resource that can only be stored for so long), JW's will no doubt continue to pat themselves on the back.

If I could avoid it, I would. If i couldn't, I would take the risk as I would any medical treatment meant to save my life. I would do the same to my children. Doctors would also do the same for themselves and their children. Just ask one.

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Grocery Store conversation with an elder

by problemaddict 2 in

i'm inactive here to the local jw's as i have faded.

i've been slandered and all that, shunned by some but not all, but the elders basically leave me alone.

i still run into to people all over though.

problemaddict 2

Joho, yes maam that is right. Also it could be pre-adolescent, post-apocalyptic, or perusing anonymously......but yeah just my handle name here since I'm on the DL.

JWfacts, yeah I thought the same thing. I winder if he will let anyone know he ran into me at all. I doubt it.

On a side point, I sort of made a deal with an elder whose territory i am in. I kind of caught him on something not cool, and basically told him.....you keep the brothers away from any potential shepherding here.......and i won't talk to them about you. Deal? Deal! So I am right in the heart of my territory, faded, and still going strong.

I'm sure it will come to and end at some point, but so far I have been able to have A LOT of conversations I would not normally be able to have.

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Grocery Store conversation with an elder

by problemaddict 2 in

i'm inactive here to the local jw's as i have faded.

i've been slandered and all that, shunned by some but not all, but the elders basically leave me alone.

i still run into to people all over though.

problemaddict 2

Yeah.....I wouldn't have said that mainly because hes 4......and also just because it was a bit of a snark. I was making a point that was WAY out of the atmosphere for a young boy, and i do try to teach him to be respectful. I introduced my son to him as someone his father knew. So yeah....lots of reasons to make sure he wasn't in ear shot. He always picks the potatoes. 3 colors......I make him count a certain amount of each. So hes in eye shot, and takes him a minute. I only needed a few seconds. :)

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Stupid, stupid nonsense in the October JW broadcast

by sir82 in

so in the october jw broadcast, there is a "morning worship" segment in which g. jackson goes to great lengths to explain how the term "those taking the lead" are not "leaders".. the terms are exactly equivalent, of course, but jackson, with a wink & smirk, pats himself on the back for his own cleverness on how different they really are.it's just so bizarrely absurd.. imagine if such tortured reasoning were applied to other areas..... -------------------------------------.

restaurant manager: i'm sorry, the only position we have open is for dishwasher.

applicant: that's insulting!

problemaddict 2

Well.....I haven't read it......but they are actually sort of right. The context of that scripture matters, and the translation is open.

I would argue the meaning of "taking the lead" in this verse, has nothing to do with position. It has to do with who serves others the most. The person who "is last", it seems.......is taking the lead in the congregation.

I doubt however that was his point.

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"The shootings in Las Vegas show how much we need God's Kingdom"

by Sour Grapes in

my jw wife, like all of us, was saddened by the senseless killings in nevada.

she said, "the shootings just shows how much we need god's kingdom.

" i replied, "yes if it was armageddon, jehovah wouldn't have left any survivors.

problemaddict 2

Even JW's I know with more common sense than most are falling for the "something is happening" narrative. Because its on the news, close to home, etc...

Earthquakes, hurricanes, and now a shooting......all CLOSE BY. Its amazing how our proximity to tragedy directly relates to how bad we think the entire world is.

But.....how do you deal with that? Hey.....2,000 babies under the age of 2 died today. And yesterday. So you know......every day is a tregedy in some ways. But 50 years ago it was 6,000 a day. So......Improvement right?